Transcribed from my podcast interview of Episode 179 of The Perfect Stool with Dr. Chris Molda and edited for readability.
Lindsey: So we had a really interesting pre-interview call where you told me about the unique bacteriophage-stimulating products that you’re using now with patients, which helped you regain your health. So why don’t you give us a brief overview of your health journey and the role that these products played in your recovery?
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah. So my health journey, I think, is unique in two ways. One is that I’ve been in practice for 23 years now, actually, 23 years this month, and so I have a background of being in functional practice and knowing all the protocols and all the different supplements and techniques. So when I got sick in 2021, I had all of these protocols at my disposal, but was really struggling.
So much so that I cycled through my standard protocols and even sought out my other friend doctors, and was just trying all sorts of things to no avail. Because I was struggling with… I got really sick with COVID. At the same time, I had black mold in my office. I had black mold in my house. I got bit by a tick and tested negative for Lyme, and found out years later that I did have Lyme even though it was a very expensive, thousand-dollar Lyme test.
It still came back negative, and had an active parasite infection. And so my body was dealing with a lot, all at the same time, and shutting down, and just like a lot of people out there, when you’re really sick and you’re just looking for something to help. And so it took me four years to really go through all of the protocols and finally figure out, we’ll say, the formula that helped me get better, that actually reduced stress, didn’t add stress to my body, but helped me target these infections in a way that didn’t hurt while I was doing it.
Lindsey: And so tell me a little bit about these products then what they are.
Dr. Chris Molda: Sure. Yeah. So the first product that I came across was just a single product, a binder called zeolite. And I’d already been using binders and detoxing people and doing liver support, kidney support, lymph support gut support, all these things, to try to help people push toxins out and push inflammation out.
And the interesting thing for me is I have a chiropractic background, and so philosophically, the interesting thing that I always struggled with was that I like working with the body and not working against the body. And I think the body knows what it wants to do, and when it’s not doing something, I always had this really uncomfortable feeling of trying to make it do something it didn’t want to do.
And so this idea of using zeolite at really high doses really conformed with that idea, that philosophy that, hey, we want to work with the body, we want to support it, and we want to get it into a comfortable place where it’s willing to let go of these toxins, not trying to get it to push them out when it doesn’t want to.
So changing my philosophy, getting rid of the detox protocols where I would cycle on and off from 10 different supplements that I was reacting to at the time, and having a really hard time doing them and not feeling good, and switching over to just a really simple zeolite powder that I had to drink once a day, and I could comfortably take with food, with supplements, because it wouldn’t bind to any of those, was really easy for me to do.
I really wouldn’t say I was willing to do it. My colleague introduced this idea to me, and I got it, but when you’re sick, you don’t want to try new things at all. And so I was very hesitant to do it. But once I did it, the way I always describe it is that my low for three years was really low, like the bottom of the barrel.
And once I started to take it, that floor started to come up, and my days were never as bad anymore as they had been. And it was simply because we were able to finally reduce inflammation and bind up a lot of toxins. And I think the toxins that were mostly getting bound up that were helping me were microbial toxins or biotoxins, not things like heavy metals, plastics, and pesticides, but more the byproducts of the infections that I had.
And so whenever you have an infection like Lyme or mold, the things that make them toxic to us, like mycotoxins are toxic to us, not mold, so we really need to bind up the mycotoxins. And so zeolite does a good job of binding those microbial byproducts. A lot of LPSs, lipopolysaccharides, which are very toxic to us, zeolite will bind to that.
A lot of ammonia, methane, histamines, all of these things are going to get bound up by the zeolite. And so it just took this understanding that the higher you go with a binder, the better you feel. Whereas, like when you’re doing herbals and you’re doing these other supports, the higher you go, because you’re really pushing the body to do something it doesn’t want to do, when you get to these high levels, it actually hurts your body or your body can struggle with it because you’re trying to make it do something it doesn’t want to do.
But when you use a true binder like zeolite, all you’re doing is binding up these toxins, reducing inflammation, and letting your body feel comfortable. And what you have to get through when you do this is that as you bind up these toxins, your body feels comfortable and safe, and now it’s willing to actually dump the toxins that you were trying to push out before.
And if you don’t have enough binder in you to grab that initial letdown of toxins, that’s when people have those bad reactions. That’s when they’re like, “Oh, I tried to detox and I felt like junk, so I had to go lower and lower.” When a lot of the time if you just went higher and bound up those toxins that you were stimulating, you’d actually thrive in a detox and feel really good while you were doing it
Lindsey: And what’s the name of the zeolite you’re using?
Dr. Chris Molda: The zeolite that I use is called Zeocharge*[10% off with code LINDSEYPARSONS], and it’s an extremely clean product. I know the owner, and he’s so focused on making sure that it’s a clean product, it’s a good product, it’s non-toxic, it’s all-natural, it’s not synthetic. The zeolite is naturally formed, it’s a naturally forming mineral in volcanic ash.
It comes in all different kinds of sizes, but essentially it’s a cage, and then toxins just come into the cage, and they’re locked in the cage, and you just excrete it, either through your sweat or in the bathroom. And it works really easily. And so it’s called ZeoCharge, and that’s the product that we use.
Lindsey: And you mentioned in our pre-interview call that you’re giving it to people in the gram doses. Like, how many grams a day, and how much can you take at once? And is it just mixed with water, or could you put it in a smoothie or something, or would it would just be bound up with everything that was in the smoothie?
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah. So one scoop is about a tablespoon, and a tablespoon is about five grams, which doesn’t sound like a lot, but in the world of binders, most people are doing micrograms or milligrams.
Lindsey: I’ve given people two pills of zeolite twice a day for other reasons.
Dr. Chris Molda: Exactly. And so we’re talking about a much higher dose. Which is extremely safe, extremely effective. I remind people that zeolite falls under a GRAS designation, which is “Generally Regarded As Safe”. And so it doesn’t need to be FDA approved or anything like that.
It’s generally regarded as safe because it’s been used for decades on animals, on farms, on produce. So it has this long history of safety in large groups. And so it’s not the kind of product, like a supplement, where you can overdose on it. And so it’s just that mineral. The minimum that people usually do is five grams, which is one scoop.
People can take up to 6 to 12 scoops, which now you’re talking 30 to 60 grams, because they’re really toxic, and you really need to get over that hump. If you have this much toxicity, you really need to get over it in order to feel good. And so we walk people through this process all the time of how to get your right dose, how to know, “Hey, I feel good,” what does that mean?
“Hey, I feel bad,” what does that mean? If I don’t feel anything… just helping people understand how your body communicates when you’re taking this so you can understand that it’s a good thing, but what does it mean when this happens or that happens?
Lindsey: And so mixed in water or can you put it mixed with other things?
Dr. Chris Molda: So sorry, yeah. It’s from volcanic ash. You can mix it in whatever you want. You can put it in water, you can put it in a smoothie, you can bake it because it’s stable at hot temperatures. Obviously, it’s from volcanoes. So you can put it in a batch of cookies and brownies. You could have some soup.
We’re starting to hit fall and winter here. You could put it in a warm bowl of soup and just mix it in and won’t even taste it at all.
Lindsey: And how is it that it’s not binding other nutrients and it can only selectively bind to the things that we want it to bind to?
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah. So like you said it’s considered a selective binder, and that has to do with the charge part of it.
Like a magnet with the negative and positive charges, and it just so happens that most toxic things have the opposite charge, and the more toxic they are, the stronger that attraction. So for instance, if you put it in your soup and it binds to vitamins and minerals in your soup, the second you put it inside of you, it’s going to encounter toxins everywhere.
And not necessarily in an abnormal way. People need to understand that most toxins come from you breathing and eating. You digesting food and you breathing creates more toxins than anything else, and so your body has to excrete those. So once you take in the zeolite, it’s going to want to dump the vitamins and minerals and nutrients in favor of something that’s more toxic, and it does this all the time.
If it takes an aluminum and it finds aluminum floating in your body and comes across ammonia, which is very toxic to you, it’ll dump the aluminum and choose the ammonia. And that’s part of why we need to add more and more zeolite, because you’re constantly swapping things in and out, and we want to make sure that we’re grabbing the most toxic things that are in your body so that we can take this with food and take it with supplements, and we don’t have to worry about you becoming nutrient deficient or not absorbing the supplements that you thought you were taking. Because it doesn’t want to grab those. It wants to grab all the toxic stuff.
Lindsey: Okay. Cool. So tell me about the other products that you were using that helped you recover.
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah. So that was the first thing, and it really helped stabilize me. I say stabilize in the sense of, oh my gosh, I could function now like a human being.
I didn’t have to spend the first 20 minutes trying to get out of bed every day like I did for two years. The next thing I did is I got introduced to a product called Inducen, and essentially what Inducen is it allows us to target specific infections, like Lyme, mold, parasites, bacterial infections, fungal infections, those kind of things, without collateral damage.
And I’m prefacing this because almost all of the protocols that I’ve ever learned where you’re using herbals or other antimicrobials or even medications, there’s always going to be some collateral damage. You’re always going to kill good guys and bad guys. And the thing that you realize very quickly is that the good guys matter more than the bad guys.
And what I mean by that is that in Maine, there was a study done decades ago where they tested all the blood in the hospital systems, and they found that half of the samples tested positive for Lyme. But not all of the samples had symptoms of Lyme. So then you look, it’s like what’s the difference between being symptomatic and asymptomatic if you’ve got Lyme?
And the difference was simple. It was that the people who didn’t have symptoms had a certain microbiome that wasn’t damaged. They had what are called… They have all the keystones. They have all of the important ones that help to regulate your immune system and all the other systems in your body.
The people who were symptomatic already had a compromised immune system, already had a compromised microbiome, and that allowed the Lyme to flourish, right? And so you quickly understand that Lyme is one of those opportunistic infections that will take advantage of a weak host. And trying to kill Lyme and kill the good guys is really not productive.
And I saw that very early on in my practice where building up people’s microbiome and building up their health, getting better, getting their life back, and then saying, “Okay, you’re healthy enough now. Let’s try killing it,” and it’s like, boom, people crash. And so what the Inducen allowed me to do was it allowed me to isolate and target those specific infections without killing the good guys while at the same time these phages kill…
The phages that are already inside of you that we’re activating, they kill very quickly and very thoroughly, so you don’t get the Herx reaction. You don’t get this SOS signal and these particles flying around that are very toxic to you. Because most infections are going to be gram-negative, and a gram-negative bacteria essentially just means that in the cell membrane in the outer shell, it’s full of lipopolysaccharides or a certain type of fat that’s very toxic to you.
And so when you kill these infections with antimicrobials or antibiotics or something like that, all of these LPSs, all of these toxins just start to spread throughout your body and you feel like junk. Because now, instead of dealing with one infection, you’re dealing with all the pieces of the infection floating around creating inflammation.
And so when phages kill, they do it in a way that’s very quick and very thorough. So if you were actually to look at it under a microscope, it looks like a bomb went off, and it’s poof, just a cloud of dust, and it’s gone. And so they do it in such a complete way where you don’t get these LPSs flying around.
You don’t get this toxic release. It just kills it and moves on.
Lindsey: Yeah. So maybe back up just a hair and say, what are phages?
Dr. Chris Molda: Sure. So phages are essentially viruses, but for this conversation we’re going to call them good viruses. Just like now we talk about good bacteria, bad bacteria, there’s good viruses and bad viruses.
And most people know about the bad viruses, because that’s all we talk about, but that makes up such a small percentage of the viruses in the world and in our body that we just have access to these good viruses. And essentially what these viruses do, think of it this way, when you get all bacteria, if you look at, like even E. coli, which we’re supposed to have in our body, one piece of E. coli has about 10 phages around it, and those phages are just living in that ecosystem with the E. coli. Just like a large shark or a whale has all the small fish living around it, that’s what these phages do. And they’re just living in it, part of its life cycle.
They live inside of it. They multiply, and then at some point they’ll kill, the bacteria dies, and then they go looking for more. And that’s just the life cycle of these viruses and these phages, and that’s what they do. They don’t interact with us. They only interact with those infections. And so what this Inducen does is it flips a switch in those phages that are already there.
And when you flip the switch, instead of living in harmony with the infection, they become aggressive towards it. And they do what you think of when you think of a virus or a pathology, is they attack it and kill it at a very quick rate. And so that’s what it does. The switch that gets flipped, changes the phage from what’s called lysis [lysogenic], which is living in harmony with it, to lytic, which is attack it.
And whenever phages kill in a lytic way, it’s very quick, it’s very clean. There’s no collateral damage. There’s none of these SOSs or toxins getting released. And so essentially that’s what we’re doing. We’re taking these viruses that are already inside of you and just getting them to clean the environment up.
Lindsey: Okay, and the maker of these is Phagen?
Dr. Chris Molda: The company is called PhagenCorp. And they’re the developers of it, and it’s been used since 2020. Dr. Jernigan’s the developer of it, in his clinic. He’s been using it since 2020 in his clinic. He used it exclusively in his clinic for about four years, treated hundreds of thousands of people, and then very recently, over the past couple years, just made it available to doctors all over the world, essentially, to be able to use and treat patients.
And so I had actually heard about them back in 2020 because I read one of his articles, and so I’d already reached out to them and I was like, “Look, when you make this available, I want to try it.” And so when he finally made it available, I was one of the people who got the emails, and so I was just right on board, tried it for myself.
Changed my life. I started to use it with other people, and that’s what started my journey. I’d heard about phages before him, before this, bacteriophages, different supplements, and studied them a lot, but none of the supplements were the promise of what the research was showing and what phages could do.
Nobody had really unlocked it until this product. And to his credit, he really… He’s one of the smartest people I’ve ever talked to. I talk to him all the time. It’s an amazing product that if we had three hours, I probably couldn’t go into all the details of what he did and what this is doing.
But in really simple terms, what it is doing is it’s targeting those infections, killing them in a very clean way without collateral damage, and doing it very quickly.
Lindsey: Yeah. So were you one of the first practitioners who used these products with their patients, or as part of a small cohort?
Dr. Chris Molda: No, I wasn’t part of a small cohort. I probably was one of the first ones outside of his clinic to start using it. I would say that’s probably true. And so I was very lucky in that way to be able to start using this product and to be honest with you, using it in a different way, right? Because he’d been using it for years inside of a clinic setting where his patients would come into his clinic in Tennessee, and they would do all these different therapies and they would do all these things, and he really developed these formulas, which is a very different setting than where I am, where I treat people virtually.
And so I see people all over the country, and I have to ship them different things, and I have to… I’m not interacting with them on a daily basis. I’m interacting with them on a semi-daily or weekly basis. And so it’s the same tool, but used a little bit differently. And so this is why over the years we’ve just had all these conversations about using them and the history of them, because I was one of the first people outside of his clinic to use them and try to figure out best practices and things like that.
Lindsey: Yeah, no, I was curious because I was trying to look for testimonials out there about the products, about you and there just wasn’t a lot out there. Are there other practitioners out there that you know about who might have some testimonials? Just because it almost sounds too good to be true, is what I’m getting at.
Dr. Chris Molda: Oh my gosh. It’s too, it sounds too good to be true. And here’s the thing. I’d studied enough about phages that I was all in from the very beginning just because of the ideas, and I was like, “This is what I’ve been looking for forever.”
But even with that, I’m like, “This sounds too good to be true,” and so there are a lot of doctors out there, hundreds of doctors out there, maybe thousands at this point, using it all over the country. A lot of them are Lyme doctors. A lot of them are the Lyme experts out there. I know for me, because I do have an extensive network of doctors I do work with who didn’t know about this, I train…
Right now I do, I train a lot of doctors on this and how to use it. There’s docs using this all over the country. Some of them are chiropractors and have more like, pain clinics, but they still see autoimmune and Lyme, and so they’re incorporating into those practices. There’s docs who have pediatric practices and treat POTS and PANS, PANDAS, and autism exclusively in their practice.
And so there’s a lot of doctors out there. But I would say this, it’s still a new product, and I think a lot of doctors are using it with their own clientele right now, and they’re just not out there marketing it because they’re still incorporating it into their practice because it’s a huge shift from…
It’s a huge shift. I’ll be honest with you, it was easy for me to build my practice from here because I was so sick. I was working one day a week. In four years I’d gotten so sick my practice might as well have been closed at that point. So I didn’t have to retool anything that I was doing. I could just start new.
And that’s very different when you take a medical doctor or a functional doctor and they have this practice where they’re doing light therapy and they’re doing EBOO [Extracorporeal Blood Oxygenation and Ozonation] and they’re doing hyperbaric oxygen and they’re doing PEMF and they’re doing all these detox, and they’re doing all of these therapies, and they’re getting good results.
Maybe they’re not getting great results, but they’re getting good results. And then you come in here with something new and you say, “Look, this is very effective. It’s probably more effective than anything you’ve ever done,” and you have to shift your entire practice. That takes time for docs, and I think that’s why most docs aren’t there marketing it like I am, because they’re still in that stage of incorporating it, helping their patients, but not really looking to just explode and market the heck out of everything because we’re still in the beginning of offering this to everybody really.
Lindsey: Yeah. So after we talked, I went and set up a wholesale account at PhagenCorp to try and access the products. But the entry point for even just the first purchase of any quantity of them was, like, $2,400.
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah …
Lindsey: and that’s the wholesale. So for me, that was cost prohibitive. I’d love to try it – like four boxes or a box or something. How did you have the confidence to launch in? Was that the entry point for you as well to try the products?
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah, that was the entry point. And how did I have the confidence? I don’t know. I just did. I just knew it would work. I’d studied phages enough to fall in love with them, to understand what they could do and what their promise could be. And while I didn’t have the technical background that Dr. Jernigan does, and the ability to make it happen, I recognized somebody who thought the same way I did about them.
And so he just did it. I was like I’m going to grab those coattails and I’m going to go with you because this is exactly what I’ve been looking for. And so I didn’t have a hesitation in trying. To be honest with you, it’s like I was sick enough to where if it made sense for me to rub two chicken bones together because somebody convinced me to do it, I would’ve.
I was not tied to anything in particular. In reality, I wouldn’t do that, but that’s to get the point across. I was willing to try anything reasonable. And Inducens and phages make sense. And so I was just all in. And I wasn’t let down.
That’s what I can say. I can say I was never let down with any of my clients, with any of my treatments. It did exactly what I wanted it to do. And for me, I would say probably the biggest learning as a practitioner and as somebody who was sick was understanding this idea, and that is that I’ve got Lyme, and I have all these symptoms, and I’m sick because of Lyme.
So when we kill the Lyme, I’m going to feel better, and that’s just what we think. And the reality is this is that when you kill the infection, you get better. But that doesn’t mean that you are what you want to be yet. It still takes time to heal, because those infections created a lot of damage, and it takes time to heal.
And so all of that is true. All of the practitioner training that I had before this is all true, and I still do it all. I still use all those therapies if I can. I still walk people through different diets and fasting and supplements and all these other things to help their hormones, to rebuild their microbiome.
All these things still need help. But the cool thing is that once you eliminate the infection, the body wants to heal, and it starts the process. And there’s a big difference between saying you can get 90 to 100% eradication, and you can feel 90 to 100% better. Those are not the same thing. And so if you understand that, the key is to kill as much of the infection as you can, and hopefully all of it, and then the healing will start to happen. It’s not like a boom, you’re better. There’s still that process that you have to go through that I had to go through.
Lindsey: So the other thing that had me a little hesitant is I understand from the scientific perspective what bacteriophages are, viruses that prey on bacteria, but I see in the list of all of the Inducens things that aren’t bacteria at all of course, fungi, yeast, protozoan and other protists, parasites, helminths or parasitic worms, glyphosate, which is a chemical, LPS, endotoxins. So yeah, it sounds like a cure-all, which makes me suspicious. So can you speak to that because bacteriophages are a particular thing that attack bacteria.
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah. So we’re talking about bacteriophages because everybody knows about bacteriophages, but there are a lot of different types of phages out there. And so they’re not all just attached to bacteria. They’re attached to different things, too. So that’s the first thing I would say. We’re comfortable talking about bacteriophages because everybody seems to be comfortable with it, but there’s more out there than that.
The second thing I would say is this. When I was talking about how these phages, the Borrelia phages only attack Borrelia and nothing else, that technical term for that is called monovalent, meaning it only will attack one specific thing, and that’s it. There are phages that are polyvalent, that will attack multiple different types of infections.
And so in the formulation that he developed that I can kind of talk on a very superficial level about, he’s using some of these polyvalent phages to also get to these things that don’t have maybe phages with them, like glyphosate. So you can use these polyvalent phages to get them to target other things if they have the ability to do that.
And a lot of them do because he’s seen it happen, which is why he puts it in there.
Lindsey: Okay. So let’s talk about their products for SIBO and SIFO (small intestine fungal overgrowth), and GI. So one concern I have looking over the list of targets is that many of the targets are commensal organisms that if they’re not overgrown, we’re supposed to have, like E. coli. I’m envisioning you wipe out all the E. coli in your gut, then one infectious E. coli comes in, you’re probably going to be worse off. Or H. pylori, which is a commensal if it’s not overgrown. M. smithii, which, people have more diverse guts if they have M. smithii, but again, if overgrown leads to IMO or intestinal methanogen overgrowth.
And then different strains of candida, which again I know are normal commensals of the gut. So I’m just wondering if these things are supposed to literally blow up like a bomb everything that they target, are you not going to end up with a gut that is potentially devoid of some commensal organisms?
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah, you would, 100%. And I’ve talked to Dr. Jernigan a lot about that, and again, he has a background philosophy similar to what you just said and to what we’ve been talking about. And so when you see… This, I guess this would be the easiest way to say it is that not all E. coli is bad, but there are strains that are pathologic.
And those are essentially the ones that are being targeted. So he’s not targeting, or the formula’s not targeting every single version of E. coli out there. It’s targeting very specific ones that we can feel comfortable eradicating and not worrying about. Because we’re supposed to have candida.
Like you said, we’re supposed to have E. coli. We’re supposed to have a certain amount of this. But the more that we study the microbiome with the newer technology, especially like shotgun metagenomics where we’re able, in these stool samples to actually identify not just the bacteria but also the DNA and see what it’s doing.
We’re able to identify these foreign bacteria and infections as opposed to commensal overgrowth or something that’s native to you. And so these formulas are focusing mostly on those. But I will say this about the SIBO formula in general, he describes it as the weakest formula there is. Okay. Meaning it’s going to take a lot to get to that eradication because not all candida is bad, even if it is…
Even if we want to push it back, we can’t push it back too far. So that formula, the SIBO/SIFO one in particular, is the weakest one he has. And so it’s easy to use because it’s hard to overuse it.
Lindsey: I see. And so when you say use a lot, are we talking like… So I know a box is like 10 vials, and two vials a day, is that right? So like how many boxes would be a light treatment versus a heavy treatment?
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah. So typically a treatment is going to be somewhere between two weeks and four weeks, 14 to 28 days. And the heavy treatment is 28 days. I would say the bare minimum, the least amount of time for somebody to do a protocol would probably be two weeks, if you wanted to feel comfortable that you’re getting like 90% eradication.
Lindsey: Just for SIBO or for any of the formulas?
Dr. Chris Molda: For any of the formulas. Yeah. For any. That’s a universal thing. You can see it on his website with the stats and the articles that they did in the research. But you’re looking at 90% eradication on average for all of the formulas after around two weeks, I think.
Lindsey: Yeah.
Dr. Chris Molda: Three or four weeks, somewhere in there.
Lindsey: And when you say two weeks, you’re not just talking the two boxes, because that’s essentially 10 days. You’re talking you need at least three boxes.
Dr. Chris Molda: No, one box is only five days. Because you’re taking… So each box is going to be five. So like here’s a box.
Lindsey: Yeah.
Dr. Chris Molda: For people who can see it, right? So that box contains 10 vials. However, each vial is signaling to the phages to start killing. And that signal only lasts for about 12 hours, and so you need to do it every 12 hours. So this one box has 10 vials, but you got to do two a day. So it’s really only a five-day supply.
Lindsey: Got it.
Dr. Chris Molda: So you’re looking at three boxes to six boxes. Depending on the formula that you need to do.
Lindsey: Okay.
Dr. Chris Molda: And what I would say is this. As people do this and this is very unique, I will say this is a very cool way… I’ve been in practice for 23 years, and I would say this is the most I’ve ever felt like a doctor, and it’s really cool, and it’s really fun because getting a good history, talking with your client, talking with your patient, getting a really good history, learning about their life and when their symptoms started and what revolved around their symptoms.
You start to hear and see these patterns where people say certain things and give you clues to, oh, there was an infection here, or there was an infection there. And when you study the microbiome, what you start to understand is that there’s only so much room in the human person for all of these bacteria, fungi, parasites, and viruses to be.
And once you start clearing them out with the Inducen, and this is the cool part with the Inducen is that when you know that the product is going to get you to about 90% eradication you can comfortably say, “We’re doing it,” right? It’s not “Oh, I wonder.” It’s like, we’re doing it. So we’re lowering the candida load.
We’re lowering the Methanobrevi[bacter] smithii load in you. And so not only do we expect to see symptoms shift, but we also know that we’re making room. Something has got to fill the space now, right? And that something that fills the space, what we want it to be are the good guys. But in reality, bad guys move faster than good guys.
And so when people do one formula at a time, other symptoms will pop up as others go away, and you start to see, oh, I feel better. Oh, something came up. Oh, I feel better. Oh, something came up. And that’s just the natural cadence of us clearing out some bad guys in your microbiome, and then your microbiome rebalancing itself.
And if you have those other infections, you’ll see them just pop, and it’s really I don’t want to say cool to see because it’s not fun for people to go good, bad, good, bad, good, bad. But people get this feedback in real time that it’s working and that there’s something else. And it’s way more effective than any test I’ve ever done to actually see people go through this process and get an understanding of, oh, I always associated this symptom with candida, but when we got rid of the candida, the symptom didn’t go away, and then when we dealt with mold, it actually went away.
And so you start to see these patterns a little bit more clearly with the confidence of using these two products and actually eliminating these infections and reducing inflammation, and you get this cathartic experience of finally understanding what’s been holding you back.
Lindsey: And so because of the potential for other GI bacteria to resurge while using the SIFO/SIBO formula, do you use the GI formula in conjunction with that typically?
Dr. Chris Molda: So I will say this. Typically, if somebody has multiple digestive symptoms, GI symptoms, has a history of… and I throw skin under GI symptoms, right? So if somebody’s got some sort of skin issue or something like that, rosacea or eczema or something like that all falls into that.
My experience has led me to understand that you’re usually going to have to do parasites. The SIBO, just so people understand, when I say SIBO/SIFO, it’s mostly candida. That’s mostly – you’re mostly dealing with candida overgrowth. So parasite overgrowth, candida overgrowth, and then a whole bunch of different bacterial infections.
Like, when we’re talking about Campylobacter, Klebsiella things you just don’t want at all. You want them to be zero. So a whole bunch of these – there’s certain staph and strep. Yeah, staph and strep is normal, but there’s certain versions of staph and strep that you just don’t want, and it’s like we’ve got to get rid of those.
And so those three formulas, the GI, the SIBO/SIFO, and the parasites are usually what it takes to actually get people to where they want to be. And by that, I don’t mean feel better. I mean feel recovered.
And I distinguish the two because before I did this protocol, before I used the Inducen, before I did the ZeoCharge, and I’m in Maine, so I have a lot of Lyme patients.
I could rebuild somebody. I could do all these different therapies, and people would feel good and they’d get their life back. But they were tied to 10, 15, 20 supplements. They had these strict diets that they couldn’t break, and if they did, they didn’t feel good. And if we tried to kill anything, they felt like junk.
So I never felt like that was healed. I thought that was better. And that was as good as I could get, and I felt happy and they felt happy. This is different. This lets people get to that point where they feel healed, meaning they have resilience. They don’t feel tied to these protocols.
If they go out to dinner and they eat pizza at a restaurant and it’s got all these bad oils and stuff, they’re not dead tired for two days, they can actually handle it and not be taken out by that experience. Now, it’s not something you necessarily want to do all the time because it’s not going to be good for your body, but that’s what healed is to me, and that’s what doing all of these things, these three protocols for your GI, I’ve seen do for people.
Lindsey: Yeah.
Dr. Chris Molda: And I will say this. Parasites and candida, and fungus in general, I am almost 100% convinced at this point that those are there because they clean your environment. We know fungus does this. Fungus recycles infection and stuff like that. But when you kill parasites, they dump a ton of toxins.
They’ll dump heavy metals. They’ll dump bacterial infections. they’ll dump a whole bunch of stuff. And so it’s like talking with other practitioners and seeing how people respond, when people have these infections, whether it’s Lyme or mold or bacteria, you start to see an overgrowth in candida, overgrowth in parasites because I think, like environmentally, they’re trying to clean the environment up for you.
But then they produce their own toxins that make you feel like junk, and so there’s this double-edged sword. And so dealing with all of those at the same time makes it, instead of up, down, up, down, up, down, I found people just feel good while you’re doing that. And right now I would say that’s the protocol that I’ve used for me personally, for my family, for my patients, where that’s the recommendation I like to make.
And then we obviously have that conversation of what do you want? What’s your budget? What’s your time goal? What’s your symptom goal? And, working with somebody, we always want to adapt to people’s needs. But at the same time, my experience and the research that they’ve done has showed that, man, you can feel really good really fast in a very short period of time addressing all three of those for your GI issues and seeing what happens.
Lindsey: Yeah. And so how are you determining what… like, when you say people were going up and down, what the next thing was? Are you doing stool testing? Are you doing Lyme testing or mold testing? How are you determining what the problem is?
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah. No, it’s a good question. I go back and forth with testing, because testing is awful. It’s not what we want it to be. When we do a test, we want the test to tell us, “These are the toxins. These are the burdens. This is the priority. This is the second priority. This…” We want that, and that’s not what testing is. Testing has some benefit to us. It can show us things that we didn’t know you had.
So do I do Lyme testing? Yes. The test that I do is through Vibrant America, and they’re going to test for all the different strains of Lyme, for the co-infections, and for the opportunistic infections and viruses. And so you’re going to see 250 different potential things that you might have. They’re going to look in your blood, do we see the particles?
They’re going to look at your immune system and say, “Do you have these antibodies? Were you ever exposed?” That kind of thing. And so that can give you some really cool information on if you didn’t know, that test could be really good. It’s an expensive test. It’s 1,500 bucks or whatever, which some people don’t want to do.
And so there are questionnaires out there. So this is what, on my website, I have a website called Lyme Made Simple. We offer a free Lyme questionnaire, and this is a standardized questionnaire. It was developed by medical doctors. And essentially what it does is it asks you 38 questions, and it tells you how likely it is that you’re struggling with Lyme based on your symptom pattern.
And it’s pretty reliable. It’s very accurate. It’s a scientific thing where you fall into this group of, hey, what are the chances are that I’m dealing with Lyme? And so that can give you a really accurate answer that is actually free. It doesn’t cost you 1,500 bucks. When it comes to the other tests, the other test I do is a stool test.
The company I like to use is called Tiny Health*. They do this shotgun metagenomics where they’re really looking at it. On their website, they offer a patient one, but to me, they offer a doctor one, so I get more values, and so I can actually see disease and different things like that, right? And so that’s a really good one because, one, it’ll show us the infections potentially.
But really why it’s good is it actually shows me the damage done to your microbiome, which means that we can personalize a recovery program for you. And the way it gets personalized is partially with your diet, but also with the timing. Because when you look at these microbiome tests, they’ll help you understand what somebody can tolerate or not tolerate.
How fast can you go, or how slow do you need to go, right? And then the other test I like to do is a hormone test, which is a Dutch test*. And these tests are available to everybody that I see. Not everybody needs them. Not everybody wants them. Because the reality is that, when I was in school and learning how to be a good doctor, some of the best advice I got from these older doctors was 80% of your diagnosis or your understanding is going to come from talking with your patient.
20% is going to be the test that confirms what you already thought, right? And so a lot of this is done through conversation, and it’s done through these handouts and looking at your symptoms and looking at your life and trying to figure out when did this all start and what happened then and trying to pin down what types of infections that you’ve been struggling with based on your symptoms.
And the good news is that it might not sound scientific, but I can tell you that it’s like the difference between, there’s so much overlap between Lyme and anything else, but even Lyme and mold. There’s so much overlap. But Lyme doesn’t affect your respiratory tract the way mold does. And so if you’re talking to somebody who has chronic fatigue and brain fog that doesn’t tell you what they have.
But if they veer into I’ve had a lot of sinus issues, I got a lot of allergies, I have asthma, you’re going to think more mold than if they said I have this joint pain that moves around, and I get this muscle fatigue. These kind of things, the patients just start to tell you what they got.
If you just listen, people tell you when they got it and what they got. And that’s probably the best way to figure out the infections that people have and what’s holding them back.
Lindsey: And what’s the name of that Lyme questionnaire you use?
Dr. Chris Molda: I think if you look up Lyme questionnaire HMQ38. The HMQ part is the person’s name.
Lindsey: Yeah. Okay. So one of the limitations that I saw on the PhagenCorp’s website is that high use of antibiotics prior to trying these formulas may result in lower success because of the way it alters the phages on the bacteria. So I’m wondering how you can improve the success of these formulas in that scenario if somebody has been on heavy antibiotics and I’m thinking in particular about my father who has a UTI infection with resistant E. coli, and he’s been on months, if not years, of antibiotics at this point, including intravenous and all that.
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah. It does become a challenge because when you kill the bacteria, you kill the phages with it. So essentially you just have less phages for us to turn on. That’s what he’s talking about.
Lindsey: Yeah.
Dr. Chris Molda: And I would say that’s not common. Maybe it’s more common in your dad who’s been on IV antibiotics and all this other stuff for years, but in that situation it’s not a matter of is it going to do it; it’s a matter of time. Because you just don’t have the phages that somebody else does.
So the resources that you have in… Yes, you just have to do it longer. It would just take you longer. Yeah. And again, like I’ve been doing this for a long time, and it’s like usually these kind of protocols are like months long. Usually the standard protocol for any kind of functional doc is going to be like a six-month protocol.
That’s just what it’s going to be right? And when I say long, I don’t know, six weeks, eight weeks. When I say long, that’s what I mean. So my perspective of what is long and what is short is very different than what it was like three years ago. From a time perspective
Lindsey: And the cost to a typical patient for a protocol that lasts a month or two months, what is that typically?
Dr. Chris Molda: Usually I give people a window because everybody needs something different, but I would say the window for people is going to be somewhere between that 2 to $3,000 range and up to the 10 to $12,000 range.
Lindsey: Yeah.
Dr. Chris Molda: And you inherently know how bad you are and where you might fall in that, and that’s just a snapshot for people, to understand the cost of this product because like you said, it’s a very expensive product.
But the good news is it works. Like I said, I’ve been in practice for 20-some odd years, and I’ve sold protocols and tried to help as many people I can and was trained in all these different things.
And people are like, “It’s a $10,000 program. You’re going to work for six months,” blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so I’ve already done all that, and I felt really bad. And when I say I felt really bad, I was like, “I got to get out of here because I feel like I’m selling clunker cars to people who are looking for a BMW,” and so I was very conflicted because I wasn’t getting the results I wanted to get. And I don’t feel conflicted in any way, shape, or form with this because of the results I’ve gotten, my family’s gotten, all of my clients have gotten. This is the real deal. And while it can cost money, it doesn’t take that much time to find out.
There, you’re not going to have to wait months to know that this is working. And it’s going to do what it’s going to do. And we don’t have to worry about that.
Lindsey: Yeah.
Dr. Chris Molda: But the reality is that most of the people that you deal with, that I deal with, most of the people listening to this, it’s not an exaggeration to say they spent between 50 and $100,000 on their healthcare already.
Lindsey: Many people did, yeah.
Dr. Chris Molda:. And they’re still looking for answers. That’s a very… I was the same way when I was sick. I was doing whatever I had to do, right?
Lindsey: Yeah.
Dr. Chris Molda: It’s a very real thing. And so it’s hard to hear people talk like this and be confident with it, and your BS radar not go up, like you said.
“This sounds too good to be true.” And so there do need to be more testimonials. There do need to be more doctors out there. And that’s why I do this, because people need to know about this and how good it is. And I’ll be honest with you, it’s like my patients are all gung ho about giving me testimonials at the beginning, but then when I say, I need you to be on video, people would want to hear you talk, they’re like, “Ooh, can I write you something?”
Lindsey: I take written with a photo. That’s good enough. Yeah. But a video- … of course, is better, yeah.
Dr. Chris Molda: So yeah …
Lindsey: Another question about the high use of antibiotics. Would high use of antifungals also make it more limited for the candida or the SIFO formula?
Dr. Chris Molda: I haven’t seen that yet. Because I think most people aren’t on antifungals as much as long as they are on antibiotics, right? Yeah. People… it’s like a Tic Tac. Antibiotics are just given away for free to everybody, and they don’t think there’s any consequence to doing it for too long.
Antifungals I don’t think are treated the same way, so you probably would not run into the same situation.
Lindsey: Yeah.
Dr. Chris Molda: But I will say this, because this is a caveat. In the United States, it’s illegal to give people phages, which is why it’s important for people to understand we’re not giving you a phage.
You already have ’em. We’re just flipping a switch- Yeah … and getting them to do what they want to do. In other countries, they do studies where they give people phages. I won’t go into the details of how they get the phages because it’s not a pleasant story, but they give people phages. And what they found is that when the phage is paired with an antibiotic, the phage is able to find the infection better.
It almost lights it up like a Christmas tree, and the phage goes, “Ah, there you are.”
Lindsey: Yeah.
Dr. Chris Molda: I don’t think that’s exactly what’s happening because these phages actually live… maybe it is in that situation. With us, the phages are already with the infection, so that’s why we don’t have to worry about busting biofilms or putting it in a certain part of your body; it’s already with it.
It doesn’t need to find it. It’s already there. In these situations, they were giving the phages, then the phages were looking for the infection, and antibiotics helped it find it.
That’s all me and Dr. Jernigan have ever talked about. So I don’t think it’s necessarily a negative and it’ll prevent you from getting results, but there is that potential that you’ve lowered your resources, and you might need to do it longer than somebody who wasn’t on antibiotics for that while.
Lindsey: Okay. Have you ever used this for MARCoNS?
Dr. Chris Molda: Oh, yeah. MARCoNS is just an antibiotic-resistant-
Lindsey: Yeah …
Dr. Chris Molda: what, staph or strep, one of those.
Lindsey: Staph, yeah. I, currently have it in my nose. I’m using the BEG spray on my nose. I’ve had 40 years of a drippy nose, and finally they discovered the MARCoNS.
The CIRS one, is that the one for MARCoNS?
Dr. Chris Molda: It would be in there. That would be one of the… there’s different… Staph. So yeah, there’s different types of staph that it can be, and most of those are targeted in the CIRS one, because CIRS stands for chronic inflammatory respiratory [response] syndrome.
Okay. This formula will target mold, mycotoxins, and then a whole bunch of other respiratory infections. Yeah.
Lindsey: Oh, okay.
Dr. Chris Molda: You know what’s interesting about MARCoNS and staph that people don’t know about? Staph likes to live in your nose, and it’s like one of the telltale signs is people do this a lot or they itch, and they feel like they have scabs or dried boogers or something here, like hair, and it…
That’s what the staph does. It creates these little scabs and infections in your nose. So if you’re somebody who constantly gets pimples or sores, that very well could just be a staph infection. Okay. And it’s crazy. That happened to me. I was so sick. I had everything. So I had this for years.
And so when I did that formula, that stopped happening to me because the staph died and went away, and I… That’s kind of how I learned about it. I was like, “Why is this happening?” Yeah. And I had to research it.
Lindsey: Yeah. So you mentioned the zeolite. Are there any other supportive products that you typically use with the Inducens?
Dr. Chris Molda: There is, and they’re usually personalized, to be honest with you. There’s one product that I do like to pair with it, and it’s actually another product that Dr. Jernigan developed, because he developed a lot of homeopathic remedies and a lot of herbal remedies. And there’s a product out there called NeuroAntitox, and it’s an herbal remedy.
But essentially what it does is it helps your body remediate ammonia, and ammonia is one of those byproducts that the infections make. And so you can eliminate Bartonella from the body, but if you haven’t reduced the ammonia in any significant way, you’re still going to have symptoms. Again, this is the whole terrain versus infection question.
We’ve got rid of the infection, but what does the terrain look like? You can’t forget that. This is exciting because we can finally get to an infection, but your training in dealing with the terrain still comes into effect. And so that with the ZeoCharge does such a good job of binding to ammonia and these other toxins, these other neurotoxins. So that’s one of the staples of the protocol.
There’s other things. At some point I get into prebiotics and probiotics and postbiotics. There’s a whole bunch of different postbiotic products that I love from butyric acid*, Tributyrin-X* [15% off with coupon code: HDH15OFF]. I can’t remember the other ones. There’s a postbiotic from Saccharomyces. Oh. I can’t remember what the name of it-
Lindsey: I know what you’re talking about, but I’ve never really used it.
Dr. Chris Molda: Okay. I think Microbiome Labs has a product called Epic Defense*.
Lindsey: Epicor.
Dr. Chris Molda: Yes, Epicor is a very interesting postbiotic, meaning… So here’s the deal. It’s like I think when it comes to the microbiome, when you study the microbiome, and over the years that I’ve done this, I actually think postbiotics are where everything’s going to be, right?
Not the prebiotics too, so it’s like postbiotics, prebiotics, and then the probiotics. They’re the least interesting thing, I think, out of all of this, right? Postbiotics, that’s what the bacteria’s making that either we use or the other bacteria use.
I think that’s the most interesting product out there, and I think that we’re just scratching the surface of different supportive products in that way. And so I love those. I love those after we get rid of the infection. Yeah. After I get to see how you bounce back, how much your body wants to do, and how much we need to support, right?
Because all of this is about supporting the body’s healing, and I still want to do that. I just want to do it slower, and by slower I mean wait a couple days, because I want to see what’s working and not working. But yeah, I love all that stuff. Yeah. But usually that comes after.
Lindsey: Yeah. So you mentioned training doctors. So do you have a course for training doctors on using these products?
Dr. Chris Molda: I do have a course. We’re just going live now. Yeah, I don’t even know if the website for it is live. But we do have a training course where I have a bunch of videos and handouts, and it’s basically how to just start quick, it’s like I fumbled my way to be honest with you, to figuring out how to use this and how to figure out which products. But it’s a shortcut where docs or practitioners can learn how to… And these are the questions that we all have as practitioners. How do I know which formula to pick? How do I know it’s working, and how do I know when I should use a different one?
And essentially, that’s the being a doctor part that our patients and clients want to know too. And Dr. Jernigan figured it out over four years and is developing this product and giving it out to people.
I figured it out with him. I would share all my thoughts with him and stuff. And so I’m just trying to fill a gap of how do I accelerate other doctors from using this, because yeah … I shouldn’t be the only one out there talking about it and doing it. There needs to be a lot of people out there doing it, and there needs to be…
There’s a lot of sick people who need help, and so if I can accelerate that for other docs by just showing them all the mistakes I made and how I’m doing it better now, that’s why I developed the course.
Lindsey: Yeah, and what’s the cost of that course?
Dr. Chris Molda: I think the cost of that course is 200 bucks a month, and the reason why it’s 200 bucks a month is because there’s also weekly calls that go with it.
Lindsey: Oh okay.
Dr. Chris Molda:. Where we have this community of other practitioners. Where we bring case studies and there’s trainings. There’s Zoom calls, but it’s a lot of bringing case studies and learning in a group as opposed to doing it on your own. Okay. But I think the monthly fee is something like 200 bucks a month, if I remember correctly.
Lindsey: Okay. And how long does it last?
Dr. Chris Molda: It’s just a month-to-month thing. Of course I think usually, the reality is that most practitioners need help for about six months. There’s this kind of ramp-up period for people that I’ve seen where it takes about six months for people to really get a handle on working with their own clients and figuring out the ins and outs of it.
And it’s not, I’m not teaching anything radically different. It’s just how do you use these products that are drastically different than anything else you’ve ever used before? Because you have to think differently while you’re using them. And not in usually when you do a protocol, there’s this question of, all right, I gave them all these herbals to kill Lyme.
How much of this is die-off? How much of this is me just killing other things? How much of this is actually the Lyme dying? Do I go higher? Do I go lower? Do I try a different thing? Like doing these things, you eliminate a lot of those ‘I wonder what’s going on’ because you just know what’s going on. And so it’s a much simpler system to learn, but it still takes time after 5, 10, 15, 20 years of practice, which a lot of these doctors have been in, to just learn a different way. So right around six months people get their footing. And then after that, to be honest with you, there’s nothing more fun than being in on a Zoom call with a whole bunch of doctors talking about their successes and sharing, “Oh, I had this autistic kid and this is what worked and this is what we did.”
And everybody’s there going like, “Ooh, this is great. Thanks for sharing that.” Like that’s the environment that we’re building for doctors to be collaborative and not to be competitive in any way.
Lindsey: Okay. So do you work just one-on-one with patients or do you have some other kind of program?
Dr. Chris Molda: For patients I work one-on-one and I find that for me personally to be good right now.
Lindsey: Yeah.
Dr. Chris Molda: And the reason why I like it is because it doesn’t actually… Like I said, originally it was like six-month courses or treatment protocols. Now you’re talking like three months at the most usually. And so it’s really easy to work one-on-one with people right now. And people get their own personal attention and I’m available to them.
We have Practice Better software so there’s messaging and people can communicate with me and stuff like that. So I work mostly one-on-one right now. Obviously, if I get too busy and I need to work in a group, I will, but I don’t have to do that right now, and so I like to give patients their time.
Lindsey: Okay. And so how do people find you and learn about how to work with you?
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah. I am apparently everywhere on social media. That’s what I’m told. So as @drchrismolda anywhere on social media. And my website is drmolda.com. If you want to get that Lyme questionnaire, it is lymemadesimple.com. Okay. And on those websites, usually there’s a button that says, “Schedule a free 15-minute consult,” and that’s the easiest thing where you’ll get on the phone with me and we’ll talk for 15 minutes.
It will not be an in-depth conversation. Don’t think that’s going to be you telling me your whole health history. Yeah. But it is going to be a chance for you to ask me questions about how good of a fit you might be, and if it makes sense. And based on that conversation, if it makes sense for us to work together, then we’ll come up with a plan to work together at that point.
Lindsey: Okay. Do you have time for one more question?
Dr. Chris Molda: Yeah. Absolutely.
Lindsey: Okay. So the one piece I think I did not, I failed to ask was, what is the magic stuff that they put in here to make these phages change form?
Dr. Chris Molda: So it’s a signaling molecule, technically. Essentially, it’s frequencies, right? So people understand frequencies, right?
If you do light therapy, there’s frequencies embedded in it. If you’ve done a Rife machine. If you… it’s the frequencies that do it. For context or for something that maybe some people understand, when you do a homeopathic remedy, like silver, it gets distilled smaller and smaller until the molecules are just there.
Another way of saying frequencies is molecules. You can think of them interchangeably if you want. There are differences, but for the simplicity of this, it’s the same thing. And so now you’ve got the frequency of silver, and when you do a homeopathic remedy, you’re essentially just drinking the frequencies.
Those frequencies interact with me and you. They change the way our body acts. When you do the Inducen, the frequencies that are embedded in the fluid, the water, the minerals that are all in there, those frequencies are like a dog whistle to me and you. We can’t hear them. Those frequencies cannot interact with me and you.
They are only pointing to the phages, which means for the Lyme one where there’s 250 different organisms it’s targeting, if you don’t have that organism, that frequency doesn’t do anything. It only interacts with those specific phages to get them to flip a switch.
Lindsey: Okay. Got it. Okay, I think that’s everything. Any final closing thoughts?
Dr. Chris Molda: No. On that note, I like to tell people one of the best parts about this protocol that I found is that using the zeolite and using the Inducen, they don’t interact with people. A true binder just moves through you, grabbing toxins, pulls it out of you.
The Inducen interacts with the phages, doesn’t interact with you. There is nothing more satisfying than having a client tell you how sensitive they are and how much they react. Like my mother-in-law, she’s been the reason why I got here. She’s been my most complicated, 15 years undiagnosed Lyme, all of these different things.
Can’t do anything, but finally found the protocol that she can do, and not just tolerate, but excel in and not get any of these negative symptoms. To me, that’s the best part of this, is that I finally, after 23 years, can treat my mother-in-law. And I don’t have to keep looking.
I just had to keep looking to find something for her. So finally there, for those patients that, for people who are worried, because everybody’s worried, “I’m the most sensitive person, I react to everything,” and I know you do. I did. This will not react with you. You can feel comfort in that.
Lindsey: Okay. Cool. Thank you so much.
Dr. Chris Molda: You’re very welcome. It was great talking with you.
Lindsey: You too.
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